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Horrible "Bible disguised as Quran experiment" [message #909] Fri, 29 January 2016 20:08 Go to previous message
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You may have seen this video and others like it. It is now not only popular to expose the ignorance of most "Christians" out there, but to also deceive them and almost guarantee these nominal christians never open a bible again, nor anyone watching. I found this video on a forum and did my best to clear up the lies, but if anyone can add to this or feels led to correct me on any point, please do.


My response:

This guy took snippets of bible verses completely out of context and presented them to random people who've obviously never opened a bible in their lives... of course they are going to react exactly how he wanted them to react. He took only the top misunderstood and misinterpreted verses, which should be studied, carefully, AFTER gaining a basic knowledge of the love of Christ, and he presented them to complete newbies. He's also using an adulterated bible; the kjv is the only one not missing entire verses and twisted so far out of it's original translation as to be unrecognizable.

So I guess I'm going to go step by step through these, and give you a little background information. These topics are all way too complicated to be explained in-depth in one post, but here goes...

1. Deuteronomy 22: 13-21 If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her,
And give occasions of speech against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid:
Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate:

And the damsel's father shall say unto the elders, I gave my daughter unto this man to wife, and he hateth her;

And, lo, he hath given occasions of speech against her, saying, I found not thy daughter a maid; and yet these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city.

And the elders of that city shall take that man and chastise him;
And they shall amerce him in an hundred shekels of silver, and give them unto the father of the damsel, because he hath brought up an evil name upon a virgin of Israel: and she shall be his wife; he may not put her away all his days.
But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel:
Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.

This is one thing among a huge list of advice, laws, and requirements for the people of Israel in the old testament. And if some of the laws seem harsh, then you need to remember that these laws were given specifically to the Israelites, God's professed people, for their good. They were not some ignorant pagan tribe; they were raised knowing the exceeding sinfulness of sin, and how it spreads when even one little area is left unchecked. Harsh measures were needed initially; if you remember, these people have essentially been camping in the dessert for 40 years, and that type of life would need strict guidelines, right? Especially since they were surrounded on all sides by pagan cultures, whose idol worship, sex worship, etc. was so prevalent and so insidious.. If a girl was accused of this she got a trial of sorts, with evidence and witnesses. And women were not singled out; if a man and woman were found committing adultery then both were stoned, rapists were stoned, etc. A man and an unbetrothed virgin found having sex were simply forced to marry. If you study every situation outlined in the sexual sin portion of Deuteronomy, you'll find that the "harsh" punishments are the ones that deal with situations of adultery and sexual sin of people who are betrothed. This vow was not taken lightly, as it is today, because it is not only a vow made to eachother, but a vow also to God.
Also remember that this is the Old Testament. A long time later, when the Pharisees wanted to stone a woman taken in adultery, Jesus himself said "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her," John 8:7. And she was allowed to live. These "harsh" rules were meant for a certain people, in a certain situation, over a certain period of time. Jesus died on the cross for us and took our sins upon himself, so we are not allowed to do the judging; that's up to the Lord.

2. 1 Corinthians 14: 34-35 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

Once again, Paul was trying to keep order in the church; in the verses before and after this one, he is outlining ways the congregation specifically need to behave to keep worship orderly, and therefore, clear.

In Corinthian culture, women were not allowed to confront men in public, and they were not formally educated, so imagine all these new Christian converts, with their many questions, and this wonderful freedom they just found in Christ. Now imagine the disruptions, as these women asked their questions, and the anger of the men, who were not used to women confronting them. Paul had to ask the women to stay quiet to squash the division this was causing. The man is the head of his wife, and if they believed it was a shame for their wives to speak in church, then Paul was not going to usurp their authority and tell them otherwise. Paul was not there to go head to head with the different cultures, he was there to preach God's word, and he knew that, in time, real Christians always set aside their cultural prejudices when the Lord convicts them of the love they should have for EVERYONE. Just as in the example above, Paul asked one class to submit to another over a petty issue to preserve order in the church. The fact is there are many women prophets and evangelists in the bible. 1 Corinthians 14: 11-5 speaks of women praying and prophesying in church. Women are absolutely allowed and encouraged throughout the bible to speak and prophecy, it is only speaking as a pastor that is forbidden, because the woman, as pastor, would be in a position of authority over men, even her husband, and that is not the way God designed things after the fall. Someone has to submit to keep order, in marriage and other things, and in a true Godly relationship submission is out of love and respect, not inequality.

3. 1 Corinthians 11:3-16
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.
But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.
For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man.
Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.
Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.
For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God.
Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered?
Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.
But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.

This all came about because Paul had to address the issue of hats and head coverings that was causing division in the church. Hats and head scarves were not mere fashion accessories back then; they had important meanings - religious, social, etc. Jewish women always covered their heads in worship, because in their culture going around uncovered was a sign of loose morals. But Corinthian women were used to not wearing coverings, and this caused division in the church. When asked if men should wear hats during worship Paul said it was a dishonor for men to wear hats in worship, and in the sentence before that he said why: the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is the man, and the head of Christ is God. In every church, government, etc. there has to be order. Jesus is equal with God, yet he submitted to him to carry out the plan of salvation. The bible does not say women are unequal, it simply says that in the ORDER of things, we are to submit. So the men can worship without head coverings, but the women should have that sign of authority ( head covering). If you'll read the last 2 sentences of the verse I posted you'll see that Paul says a woman already has a covering; her hair is already given to her as her glory and her covering! Speaking of women wearing head coverings, he says "we have no such custom, neither the churches of God," but earlier in the verse he directed that the women should indeed wear coverings, because, while not a scriptural command, it was the best way to keep the peace in the church. Paul isn't saying he believes it's a shame for a woman to pray uncovered, but if half the church members believe it's a shame, and the same as being shaven, and being shaven or shorn is considered a shame, then by all means wear the covering! It wasn't worth the trouble this petty issue was causing the church, so one class wound up submitting to the other to preserve ORDER, and they wound up wearing the coverings.

4. Matthew 5: 28-10
But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

I can't believe I even have to explain this one. Come on guys, did the Jews go around plucking out their own eyes or cutting off their limbs after they looked on a woman? NO. Blind people can still lust cant they? Jesus was speaking figuratively. It is better to painfully remove a bad habit out of your life than to lose your entire body and soul to hell. This was a graphic warning meant to illustrate the seriousness of sin.

Open your bibles, so that when someone like this comes up to you and tries to twist God's word, you can enlighten him a bit!

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