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Dobilena is currently offline  Dobilena
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A couple days ago, I talked to my Pentecostal friend about the Sabbath. He told me that when Jesus came, He took the OT Seventh day Sabbath and showed us that we ought to keep the Sabbath everyday. These are the Scriptures and reasoning that he used;

(Matthew 11:28-30) "¶ Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. {29} Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. {30} For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light."

"Sabbath means 'rest' and so Jesus is telling us to rest in Him everyday. Also,

(Colossians 2:16-17) "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: {17} Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ."

Paul here shows us that the OT sabbath days were a shadow of things to come, which was rest and abiding in Christ everyday. The reason why I work on the seventh day is because;

(John 5:17) "¶ But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work."
(Matthew 12:1) "At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat."

Now, in Christ we ought to rest, delight, and work for the Lord and our heavenly Father everyday. Everyday should be a day of rest from sin in Christ. He is the better rest. Keeping the Sabbath is part of the Moral Law, which continues in the NT. But the keeping of the Seventh day is ceremonial because Jesus also allowed his disciples to work on the Sabbath day by plucking grain. There was a clear change in Sabbath keeping with the come of Jesus.

Now when it comes to going to Church on Saturday, you can. But don't force/try to convince other Christians because,

(Romans 14:5-6) "One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. {6} He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks."

That was the conversation with him. Of course, I strongly disagree with him on his interpretation of Matthew 12:1, because that wasn't work according to Biblical standards. That was the Jews adding more laws to the Sabbath. I also strongly disagree with his interpretation of Romans 14:5-6, because I did not esteem or regard the Seventh day, but the Lord did (Genesis 2:2-3; Exodus 20:11; Exodus 31:15, 17; Hebrews 4:4). I also disagree with his interpretation of Colossians 2:16-17. By reading the context, it clearly divides the moral and ceremonial law. But how do I debunk his web of interpretation between Matthew 11:28-30, Colossians 2:16-17, & John 5:17? He admits the 10 Commandments and the keeping of the Sabbath in the NT, but denies the necessity of Seventh day keeping and the necessity of literally resting(not working, buying/selling, etc). For more explanation is needed to understand his position, please ask.

Question restated: How do I debunk his web of interpretation between Matthew 11:28-30, Colossians 2:16-17, & John 5:17?

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Re: The "Better" Sabbath Debate [message #2843 is a reply to message #2841] Tue, 08 October 2019 12:37 Go to previous message
Earthen Vessel is currently offline  Earthen Vessel
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The word rest in Matthew 11 does not reference the Sabbath. You have to read the full chapter to know what is going on. Jesus was going place to place calling out sinners to repentance. This is what he came into the world to do.

Mat 9:13: "But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."

The sinners in these different places were weary, sick, confused, fearful, had anxiety, etc and had no one to help them, their own people and the Pharisees wouldn't help them either so they longed for that peace or rest that they needed to free them from the guilt of their sin.

Colossians 2 is referencing the annual Feasts that acknowledged certain events that would be fulfilled in the future when Christ came as Messiah. This is why Paul referred to them as "a shadow of things to come" in this passage. Make special note that after it lists the annual sabbaths in Leviticus 23:23-37 that it says in Verse 38 that these annual sabbaths are "besides the Sabbath of the Lord."

Lev 23:23-28: "And the LORD spoke unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, a holy convocation. Ye shall do no servile work therein: but ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD. And the LORD spoke unto Moses, saying, Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement: it shall be a holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD. And ye shall do no work in that same day: for it is a day of atonement, to make an atonement for you before the LORD your God."

Lev 23:29-38: "For whatsoever soul it be that shall not be afflicted in that same day, he shall be cut off from among his people. And whatsoever soul it be that doeth any work in that same day, the same soul will I destroy from among his people. Ye shall do no manner of work: it shall be a statute forever throughout your generations in all your dwellings. It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath. And the LORD spoke unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, The fifteenth day of this seventh month shall be the feast of tabernacles for seven days unto the LORD. On the first day shall be a holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein. Seven days ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: on the eighth day shall be a holy convocation unto you; and ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: it is a solemn assembly; and ye shall do no servile work therein. These are the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, to offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD, a burnt offering, and a meat offering, a sacrifice, and drink offerings, every thing upon his day: Beside the sabbaths of the LORD, and beside your gifts, and beside all your vows, and beside all your freewill offerings, which ye give unto the LORD."

With John 5:17 again you have to look at the whole chapter to understand what is being said. Jesus was healing people left and right and the Jews did not like this because according to THEM he was breaking Sabbath. He rebuked them and the Pharisees before in....

Luke 13:14-15 KJV
[14] And the ruler of the synagogue answered with indignation, because that Jesus had healed on the sabbath day, and said unto the people, There are six days in which men ought to work: in them therefore come and be healed, and not on the sabbath day. [15] The Lord then answered him, and said, Thou hypocrite, doth not each one of you on the sabbath loose his ox or his ass from the stall, and lead him away to watering?

Luke 14:3-6 KJV
[3] And Jesus answering spake unto the lawyers and Pharisees, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath day? [4] And they held their peace. And he took him, and healed him, and let him go; [5] And answered them, saying, Which of you shall have an ass or an ox fallen into a pit, and will not straightway pull him out on the sabbath day? [6] And they could not answer him again to these things.

Hope this helps . God Bless

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