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icon4.gif  Neuro-Linguistic Programming [message #2626] Sun, 16 December 2018 12:16 Go to next message
Agin Cajun is currently offline  Agin Cajun
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As disconcerting as the 501c3. climate change, and NWO and other currently active satanic conspiracies are, I find them to pale when compared to a tactic being utilized by reportedly some SDA pastors to control the minds of their flocks and ultimately control their inclinations. The phenomenon is well-documented, heinous, and generally not spoken of. It is called neuro-linguistic programming and I will provide, for you, documentation so that you can determine the veracity of my statements and the threat that exists in training people to accept doctrines and or policies which they might otherwise turn from.

Some documents/video you can search for:

HYPNOTISM WITHIN THE ADVENTIST CHURCH.pdf
SDA_NLP_Instructors.pdf
Do SDA use NLP Yet Today.mp4 (YouTube)
Neuro-Linguistic Programming (Wiki)

Not all hypnotism is dark, in fact it can be very useful for certain psychologically-induced conditions. But, I will argue that, when done without the consent of the "target", it is an infringement and invasive procedure which can be deemed illegal mind control. What say you?

God bless and keep us safe through the coming storm and protect those whose hearts are pure in the love of Christ who are yet unaware that this tactic could be tainting their thoughts and convictions. Respectfully, your brother in Christ....Agin Cajun

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Re: Neuro-Linguistic Programming [message #2628 is a reply to message #2626] Mon, 17 December 2018 20:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Those who are truly obedient to God will be protected from such methods. That said, no obedient soul will bother wasting time watching the SDAs or any other apostate pastor/false prophets.
Re: Neuro-Linguistic Programming [message #2630 is a reply to message #2628] Wed, 19 December 2018 13:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"That said, no obedient soul will bother wasting time watching the SDAs or any other apostate pastor/false prophets."

Really? Is that right? Sounds as though this reply was quoted directly from the 'Pharisee Manual'.

How can this come from such an "upright, obedient soul" when most of what is revealed on these pages is the negative scrutinizing of churchianity?
Is it wasting time to learn how to help a deceived brother or sister? Are we not to guard ourselves against deceptions considering that the very elect, like you, are fair game for satan's wiles? Can we not help others, as you have been helped, to avoid the "mark"? Thank God that Paul had a different philosophy than is espoused in your reply. Appears to be a need for sheepdogs in this forum.
Re: Neuro-Linguistic Programming [message #2631 is a reply to message #2630] Wed, 19 December 2018 21:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I meant that those who already know about these things have no more to learn from the apostate church and so won't continue to go there anymore. We don't need to watch and/or listen to SDA pastors to learn how to help those who don't know, unless the purpose was to find something they said that is unscriptural or a bit off.
Re: Neuro-Linguistic Programming [message #2632 is a reply to message #2631] Thu, 20 December 2018 07:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In this world, regardless of how erudite you are, NOT everyone is aware of the issues I presented, and your message did not convey your intent. It conveyed belligerence and arrogance.

No different than the normal catholic parishioner, who is totally unaware of the machinations of papacy rule, are souls who do not understand how they are being manipulated by various methodologies of the hierarchical bodies who govern the actions of their beloved pastors; whom they trust. If they do not understand these devious issues, they will not be prepared to understand the implications of 501c3 and anti-christ legislation headed their way.

Perhaps to you, their ignorance is bliss, and they should be allowed to burn away. If you knew about the issues I presented already, fine-good for you, but, there are the little people below you, not people of your noble wisdom, who remain and must be taught, in order to teach one must learn and reach out to Kingdom-seeking people in SDA, Baptist, Methodist, and all other denominations, who are unaware of how they are deceived.

The purpose of my post was not to cause such upheaval in your ethereal knowledge but rather to make aware, for the average person, that there is material available that can help them to make the blind see. There was no imperative to watch the videos or read the documentation.

With certainty and conviction, I can tell you that your approach to those snared in satan's traps is appalling. As a decades long Christian Minister I can attest to the fact that had it not been a quest for knowledge focused on spiritual adherence to God's Commandments and the love and testimony of Jesus Christ, I would never have learned the truths about the Sabbath, Daniel's prophecy, the 3 Angel's message and other pillars of Adventist theology. Not one of these revelations was inspired by this movement, but my journey has brought me here. Though only you have responded, it concerns me and exacerbates my disdain for the secrecy and maze that shrouds this ministry. What man has a candle and hides it under a basket? Unlike you, I find there is much left to study, learn, and teach.

You have definitely dispelled any hope, in my mind, that I have finally found a true remnant church. Their is no more room for vitriol, sarcasm, and insolence in my walk with God. Jesus has taught me to love others, but I do not have to like them; there you sit. Good luck and God's blessings on you - as for me, my search for a true, loving remnant church continues. Your "pastor" must be very proud of you.

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Re: Neuro-Linguistic Programming [message #2633 is a reply to message #2632] Fri, 21 December 2018 04:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thank you for your post Agin Cajun! It's not by accident that you found this forum but by God's direction. We have so much things to unlearn and so much to learn again for time is almost finished. As you know, there is no "secrecy and maze" in this ministry for that is not the work of God. We are here to reason together as pointed out by Isaiah 1:8.

As for the topic, NLP is one of the most dangerous form of hypnotism for it controls the mind of person or group unaware by means of words used in talking to them. Sadly, since the SDA church leadership has apostatized from the truth that they would use hypnotism or mesmerism which is spiritualism. Note below quotes from SOP.

"Apostates Will Use Hypnotism. - The time has come when even in the church and in our institutions, some will depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils. But God will keep that which is committed to Him. Let us draw near to Him, that He may draw near to us. Let us bear a plain, clear testimony right to the point, that hypnotism is being used by those who have departed from the faith, and that we are not to link up with them. Through those who depart from the faith, the power of the enemy will be exercised to lead others astray." 3SM 411.

"Some professed Adventists who had rejected present truth, while preaching praying or in private conversation used mesmerism [or hypnotism] to gain adherents...And even those that used it [hypnotism], were so far in the darkness and deception of the devil, that they thought it was the power of God, given them to exercise. They had made God altogether such an one as themselves; and had valued His power as a thing of naught." 1RH, p9.

Notice too that these ministries has also been exposing this evil as you follow the links below so there is "no secrecy" at all.

<< http://sdaapostasy.org. Please go to Articles on SDA Corruption page and see these excerpts >>
177. Andrews University Spiritualism Course The students have started a petition to try and stop it.
178. List of names in SDA church teaching NLP. (http://sdaapostasy.org/docs/SDA_LNP_Instructors.pdf) (pdf) NLP has two labs: lab 1 trains you how to practice mind control on others. Lab 2 trains you to be able to train others. So these 200 SDAs on this list have been trained to teach other SDAs how to practice hypnotism on other SDAs, and this list was from back in 1991!"

<<http://www.sdrministries.org/sda/education.html >>
These NLP hypnosis seminars are enthusiastically sponsored by these churches: Baptist, Methodist, Adventist, Presbyterian, Latter Day Saints (Mormon), Lutheran, Church of Christ, Catholic, as well as many other churches. Their purpose is seeking greater control of their congregations, and bringing inactive members back into church fellowship (see L.E.A.D. Consultants, Inc., Training Schedule for 1988-89 and 1989-91).

The SDA church has indeed become involved in this satanic and spiritualistic hypnosis training program of NLP. The evidence to substantiate the above statement can be found in the following church papers: Visitor, June 15, 1985, p 6; Adventist Review, July 2, 1987, p 23; May 4, 1989, p 21; October 5, 1989, p 5.

The SDA church is most enthusiastic in pushing the training of its ministers and leaders in NLP hypnosis!
In fact, the North American Division of the General Conference recommended:
"...that every pastor in the North American Division complete the 40-hour Lab School in Parish Visitation Skills (Lab 1), and that selected pastors complete the additional 50-hour Instructor's Training (Lab 2)." North American Division of Seventh-day Adventist Church, Strategy Plans for Evangelism, #307-88n, Homecoming Emphasis During Year of Evangelism (1989), p 2, Section 3d.
Then the SDA church leadership stated:
"About 200 Adventists have been certified as trainers and are available at the present time to help staff this activity." Ibid, p 2, Section 3d."

Truly, the Lord is giving us a spiritual eyeglass to discern the truth and detect the errors so we will be completely free from corruption doctrinally as well as spiritually!. Peace Smile
Re: Neuro-Linguistic Programming [message #2634 is a reply to message #2633] Fri, 21 December 2018 08:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Dear Brother Alvin,

It is with humble reverence for your compassion and understanding that I write to thank you for your gracious reply.

I am fighting the battle of this world with you, share in your interests, and bear witness to people, of all and no denomination. I speak of the Love and Gospel of our Lord.

I, as you, study the Bible for enlightenment, direction, and understanding of our current and future situations, and because our great and mighty God wants us to know Him and the depths of His love for us through His Son, our Savior, Advocate and Lord, Jesus Christ.

In my searching, I have left the catholic, baptist, methodist, assembly of God, church of God, evangelical clutches, and SDA churches on my journey toward the Kingdom; all for the same reason - misinterpretation of the Word of God. I am keenly aware of the subtle deceptions that await us daily and proceed toward them, only with prayer and guidance by our wonderful Holy Spirit bearing the knowledge of the Will of our Creator God for me. To think that I get all of this for the unconditional acceptance, love, obedience and faith in His Son, Our Saviour Jesus Christ, is a very humbling and ingratiating phenomenon. Christ is easy to love and it is my pleasure to serve Him.

Early last week, after learning about the NLP taught in SDA universities/seminaries via Internet search, I contacted my seminary-trained General Conference SDA pastor who stated that he knew nothing of such studies or matters. Upon revealing that I had documents to prove these facts, as well as 501c3 entanglements. articles from Sister White's writings about the GC, and of the court cases where the SDA actually sued brothers (against scripture), he asked for copies. I digitally sent them to him and have never heard from him again---not a word. I knew that Carole and I had to leave. That "pastor" was not a shepherd, but rather, a GC employee. These events were the prelude to God opening the door to look inside and witness the workings of the Remnant church. I feel very blessed and praise God for loving me this much.

We spent last Sabbath at home, and had communion there because of the SDA pastor's, apparent, lack of interest in our serious concerns and happened upon NicholaspoGm on YouTube (typically, we would have clicked on John Bradshaw or Doug Batchelor) and were deeply moved by the message and substantial literature available to test the veracity of that message. The sincerity was so tangible. We were elated and understood. With our eyes fixed upon Jesus and His love for us, the thoughts of the SDA became strangely dim.

Since them I have perused the poGm wesite and realize now, to some extent, what Christ has revealed to the Remnant body. I am very thankful for His love and guidance. So much so, that I was led On Sunday to call Quiet Hour Ministries to have my name removed from their mailing list, though they are not governed by the GC, they are 501c3. I like Bill Tucker and love the fact that he reaches out to his flock. He actually called me one day from an airplane which was taking him overseas on an evangelistic meeting. Nonetheless, you can imagine how surprised the staff was to learn of my reasons for withdrawing from providing any further offerings. They knew nothing of 501c3, didn't even know what it was. In fact, the head of the department, Elizabeth, told me that I would be surprised at the number of employees there who spoke ill of the GC. We talked for over half an hour and she understood the depth and dangers of the corporate quandry. Now, I pray for them to be delivered from the treacherous tentacles of corrupt government affiliation. I did learn much as a SDA, but it appears that their vision is lost, they are now spinning their wheels-getting no where-delivering less and less, the same exact message every two months or so.

Though I have been an ordained Christian Minister for many years and have baptized souls for Christ, my "sermons" take the form of speaking personally with and witnessing to pastors, who preside over the daughters of the RCC, emphasizing obedience to all of God's commandments, that once saved, they are not assured of salvation, or whose churches have simply, for lack of knowledge and Spirit, have devolved into Sunday social clubs/hen houses. To that end, I have had some success in planting seeds which the Holy Spirit is tending to as we speak. I have also succeeded in converting a few of what I consider to be the most difficult to convince of error, the devout catholic parishioner. Nonetheless, the Spirit works with ease where the garden is tended.

I am delighted to meet you. I have visited your web page and appreciate its message and organization. Congratulations and may God continue to bless your efforts. When I mentioned the "secrecy and maze", I was referring to complexity of the poGm URL structure and the lack of use of full names. In time, I will understand that as well and already am gaining an appreciation for it. Please forgive me for using that phraseology. God Bless Us All in preparation for the coming storm.

Until we speak again, I remain respectfully,
Your Brother in Christ,
Brad
Re: Neuro-Linguistic Programming [message #2635 is a reply to message #2632] Fri, 21 December 2018 15:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thank you for the rebuke. My heart were hardened from beholding all the evil going on in this world, developing my abrasive attitude. I don't wish for anyone to burn, but I've lost much motivation for the people who continually refuse to consider the truth. I'm not a representative of poGm, and I've much to repair within myself. Apologies for derailing the thread, NLP is an important discussion to have.
Re: Neuro-Linguistic Programming [message #2637 is a reply to message #2635] Sat, 22 December 2018 15:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Brother Wolf,

Thank you for your kind reply,

We are all a work in progress, my brother.
I certainly can forgive this episode completely. I get a little testy myself.

Please carry on with your mission and continue to immerse yourself in Jesus' love and God's Word.
This world is not at all what we were taught growing up and it is incredible, to me, how many walk blindly through it.
The tribulations we all face eventually pass, what is important is to remain on God's winning team.

With kindest regard and prayers for you, I remain your brother in Christ Jesus,
Agin Cajun

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Re: Neuro-Linguistic Programming [message #2638 is a reply to message #2637] Sat, 22 December 2018 16:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"The tribulations we all face eventually pass, what is important is to remain on God's winning team."

Amen! Never let go of Christ, and hold fast to the truth whatever the circumstances are. Thank you for your forgiveness. Something in your original post intrigued me. "Not all hypnotism is dark, in fact it can be very useful for certain psychologically-induced conditions." Could you give me an example of what that would be like? Like as a way of dispelling mind stress or depression or something?
Re: Neuro-Linguistic Programming [message #2639 is a reply to message #2638] Sat, 22 December 2018 16:57 Go to previous message
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Hypnosis has proven somewhat fruitful in recollection of events which have been masked by trauma. It has proven beneficial in relieving the mental torment that some face with severe psychiatric disorders.

Surely, God is the Great Physician. We know that, yet some refuse to acknowledge truth. Still they suffer.

My senior clinical assignment was to administer and observe the effects of newly developed psychotropic medications on persons who were unfortunate enough to have been committed to mental institutions for the major part of their lives (many decades).
There were the criminally insane, schizophrenics, every type of neurosis imaginable in these 40-50 acre hospital campuses. There were some austere revelations waiting there for me. The most startling one was the realization that just as a child can be born without a limb or an organ necessary for proper function of the human body, so it is that a person can be born with no capacity for cognitive thought, or chronic insufferable pain that cannot be diagnosed.

I have witnessed the use of hypnosis by reputable, God-fearing practitioners bring moments of relief for such as these. I have seen it induce peaceful sleep when no other methodology/medication would work. I am not an advocate of such means in peoples like myself or you nor any of God's creatures and children.

Know this, that some are incapable of comprehending the spiritual nature of man and it appears to be a horrible phenomenon. I feel that God is all-merciful and forgiving toward these afflicted ones and that they have a special place reserved in the Kingdom.

Christ was able to drive Legion from the demoniac, and there are stories of exorcisms of the demon-possessed. and while I am certain that some men who keep the commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus Christ can, perhaps, still perform such acts, I have never personally witnessed it. I do pray for souls such as the ones I have described, they do exist and their hell is this life. God bless them.

I have, though, witnessed non-malicious hypnotism release bound souls from their bondage, if only for a brief period of time, and the short-lived peace in their countenance is a wonderful sight.

It is in this capacity, I categorize hypnosis as "other than dark". We must not become too overcome with these things, for, all to often, outside of the clinical environment, the trance is induced for clandestine purposes.

Do not interpret anything I have said as an endorsement of hypnosis, only that I have seen it used for benevolently and effectively by doctors at one time in my life. I do not ascribe to it, nor study it, cannot perform it, and never wanted to. I would recommend all to stay far away from it.

I hope this explains my experience and feelings on the matter and why I felt qualified to make that statement in the prior post and will speak of it no more.
It is the inquisitive mind searching for God that captures my attention. You appear to have that quality. Use it wisely in the unrelenting quest for the character of God and in fighting the good fight.

Your brother in Christ, Brad

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